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dhill_cb7
Updates to this thread. Not sure if @night_cub wants to update the main page.
2005 was the last year the P71 SAP has chrome on the bumpers as well.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrownVictoria/comments/1qo4qcs/new_to_me_2005_p71_sap/
2006-2011 P71 SAP do not have chrome on the bumpers but the 2009-2011 (see below) can be differentiated due to chrome on the moldings.
http://gtcarlot.com/colors/car/33305740.html
The 2009+ P71/P7B SAP received chrome door molding that no other trim received.
See here: http://gtcarlot.com/colors/car/142414748.html
http://gtcarlot.com/colors/car/143249284-5.html - 2008 P71 for comparison
Here is a thread that confirms the P71 NEVER had the keypad on the door; ever. So if we ever see a "police interceptor" with that we know for a fact that is indeed a civilian model dressed up.
The door handles were riveted in and next to impossible to change out without a lot of time and effort. Other parts like chrome/black trim and grille were way easier to change.
Also a bit of trivia, but it wasn't until the 2009 model year the both the CVPI and civilian Vic's got the same outside door moulding. The SAP CVPI's got the added chrome strip ( that even the LX's didn't get ) across the door trim.
The door molding for SAP CVPI's from 2008-1999 was all the same as the civi cars. Non-SAP CVPI's had differnt door mouldings from 1998-2008.
2005 was the last year the P71 SAP has chrome on the bumpers as well.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrownVictoria/comments/1qo4qcs/new_to_me_2005_p71_sap/
2006-2011 P71 SAP do not have chrome on the bumpers but the 2009-2011 (see below) can be differentiated due to chrome on the moldings.
http://gtcarlot.com/colors/car/33305740.html
The 2009+ P71/P7B SAP received chrome door molding that no other trim received.
See here: http://gtcarlot.com/colors/car/142414748.html
http://gtcarlot.com/colors/car/143249284-5.html - 2008 P71 for comparison
Here is a thread that confirms the P71 NEVER had the keypad on the door; ever. So if we ever see a "police interceptor" with that we know for a fact that is indeed a civilian model dressed up.
The door handles were riveted in and next to impossible to change out without a lot of time and effort. Other parts like chrome/black trim and grille were way easier to change.
Quote From: 2011P7E
Nope, no power passenger seat for ANY CVPI trim. Also no leather seats, keypad on the door, rear map light, EATC, and I'm sure I'm missing a few others.Also a bit of trivia, but it wasn't until the 2009 model year the both the CVPI and civilian Vic's got the same outside door moulding. The SAP CVPI's got the added chrome strip ( that even the LX's didn't get ) across the door trim.
The door molding for SAP CVPI's from 2008-1999 was all the same as the civi cars. Non-SAP CVPI's had differnt door mouldings from 1998-2008.
FalconKingBH
I'm not sure where to put this and i don't want to clog this thread with mostly useless information but i found some second hand 2010-2011 P7Bs on a Saudi marketplace. These 3 examples are all "GCC Spec" export models that were retired from government use.
#1 - 2010 P7B: https://haraj.com.sa/11120717836/%D9%81%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AF_%D9%83%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%- 88%D9%86_%D9%81%D9%83%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A7_2010
#2 - 2011 P7B: https://haraj.com.sa/11120701188/%D9%84%D9%84%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%B9_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%- B1%D8%AF_%D9%81%D9%83%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A7_%D8%A8%D9%88%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%- B3%D9%8A
#3 - 2011 P7B (a relatively clean example): https://haraj.com.sa/11120544792/%D9%81%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AF_%D8%A8%D9%88%D9%84%D9%- 8A%D8%B3%D9%8A_%D9%85%D8%AE%D8%B2%D9%86_%D9%85%D9%85%D8%B4%D9%8A_80%D8%A7%D9%84%- D9%81_%D9%81%D9%82%D8%B7_%D8%B4%D8%B1%D8%B7
They seems to have the 40/20/40 seats with the rear A/C option, similar to GCC Spec P7C/P72s sold in the region. There's also the mis-matched chrome/black trim on the rear which i thought was just a silly repair job but i then noticed them on dozens of examples in person and online which seemed odd. Finally, a small thing but they slapped a translated boot release sticker on top of the original one.
Otherwise, mostly the same as North American spec models really.
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Here's a GCC Spec P71 from 1998-2000 (i think) that was used by Bahrain, for reference:
Ribbed blue cloth seats with no rear A/C and the rear mis-matched black/chrome trim piece but in reverse (Not sure if factory or shoddy repair).
Again, this isn't helpful in most cases on IMCDb but i thought i would highlight them since few have appeared.
#1 - 2010 P7B: https://haraj.com.sa/11120717836/%D9%81%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AF_%D9%83%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%- 88%D9%86_%D9%81%D9%83%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A7_2010
#2 - 2011 P7B: https://haraj.com.sa/11120701188/%D9%84%D9%84%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%B9_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%- B1%D8%AF_%D9%81%D9%83%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A7_%D8%A8%D9%88%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%- B3%D9%8A
#3 - 2011 P7B (a relatively clean example): https://haraj.com.sa/11120544792/%D9%81%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AF_%D8%A8%D9%88%D9%84%D9%- 8A%D8%B3%D9%8A_%D9%85%D8%AE%D8%B2%D9%86_%D9%85%D9%85%D8%B4%D9%8A_80%D8%A7%D9%84%- D9%81_%D9%81%D9%82%D8%B7_%D8%B4%D8%B1%D8%B7
They seems to have the 40/20/40 seats with the rear A/C option, similar to GCC Spec P7C/P72s sold in the region. There's also the mis-matched chrome/black trim on the rear which i thought was just a silly repair job but i then noticed them on dozens of examples in person and online which seemed odd. Finally, a small thing but they slapped a translated boot release sticker on top of the original one.
Otherwise, mostly the same as North American spec models really.
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Here's a GCC Spec P71 from 1998-2000 (i think) that was used by Bahrain, for reference:
Ribbed blue cloth seats with no rear A/C and the rear mis-matched black/chrome trim piece but in reverse (Not sure if factory or shoddy repair).
Again, this isn't helpful in most cases on IMCDb but i thought i would highlight them since few have appeared.
dhill_cb7
Another really helpful find is that authentic taxi packages P70/A & P72/C have rear grab handles on the door panels while authentic P71/B do not.
I was perusing rental Crown Vics today and noticed that only truly authentic taxi packages seem to have this feature. Might be something we add to the top for differentiating real/fake taxis?
Here is a real retired P70. https://picturecarsltd.com/car/1809-ford-crown-victoria/
Here is fake P71 taxi mockup: https://inventory.cinemavehicles.com/inventory_item/c0145b/
Note the rear doors. P71 has no handle. P70 does.
I was perusing rental Crown Vics today and noticed that only truly authentic taxi packages seem to have this feature. Might be something we add to the top for differentiating real/fake taxis?
Here is a real retired P70. https://picturecarsltd.com/car/1809-ford-crown-victoria/
Here is fake P71 taxi mockup: https://inventory.cinemavehicles.com/inventory_item/c0145b/
Note the rear doors. P71 has no handle. P70 does.
dhill_cb7
Seems the P72/P7C existed to the end but there is hardly any information on the net about them. A reddit user posted his ex-government 2010 P7C.
Has 2009-2011 side molding. Black rear fascia. Body color B-pillars. Crown Victoria! Rear badge. Honeycomb grille. Black mirrors.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrownVictoria/comments/x7adpr/comment/inohy4z/
2FABP7CV7AX104305
I know Ford_Guy isn’t active much but this might be something to pass along to him.
Has 2009-2011 side molding. Black rear fascia. Body color B-pillars. Crown Victoria! Rear badge. Honeycomb grille. Black mirrors.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrownVictoria/comments/x7adpr/comment/inohy4z/
2FABP7CV7AX104305
I know Ford_Guy isn’t active much but this might be something to pass along to him.
dhill_cb7
@night cub can you update 2004 MY for the base [P73] model?
New information indicates the base model lost the chrome on the bumpers & chrome surround on the door handles for MY 2004.
2002 [P73]: https://poctra.com/2002-FORD-CROWN-VICTORIA/id-AIqOy2lRp7AlrpPK/LONG-ISLAND-NY
2003 [P73]: https://poctra.com/2003-FORD-CROWN-VICTORIA/id-AYGAn2HfBGO9FnoW/ATLANTA-EAST-GA/Photos
https://poctra.com/2003-FORD-CROWN-VICTORIA-STANDARD/id-CyB7ZMk2UmVbv1Ji/DALLAS/FT-WORTH-TX/Photos
2004 [P73]: https://poctra.com/2004-FORD-CROWN-VICTORIA/id-AxtKclSHMPt4jIEq/ROCHESTER-NY/Photos
https://poctra.com/2004-FORD-CROWN-VICTORIA/id-AMSod2GMUh3affHt/PHOENIX-AZ/Photos
2005 [P73]: https://poctra.com/2005-FORD-CROWN-VICTORIA/id-AMpKQFrfkORKNnnr/LAS-VEGAS-NV/Photos
https://poctra.com/2005-FORD-CROWN-VICTORIA/id-AsdaYMpyRpnl7vli/CHARLESTON-SC/Photos
I did not see any [P73] after MY 2005.
New information indicates the base model lost the chrome on the bumpers & chrome surround on the door handles for MY 2004.
2002 [P73]: https://poctra.com/2002-FORD-CROWN-VICTORIA/id-AIqOy2lRp7AlrpPK/LONG-ISLAND-NY
2003 [P73]: https://poctra.com/2003-FORD-CROWN-VICTORIA/id-AYGAn2HfBGO9FnoW/ATLANTA-EAST-GA/Photos
https://poctra.com/2003-FORD-CROWN-VICTORIA-STANDARD/id-CyB7ZMk2UmVbv1Ji/DALLAS/FT-WORTH-TX/Photos
2004 [P73]: https://poctra.com/2004-FORD-CROWN-VICTORIA/id-AxtKclSHMPt4jIEq/ROCHESTER-NY/Photos
https://poctra.com/2004-FORD-CROWN-VICTORIA/id-AMSod2GMUh3affHt/PHOENIX-AZ/Photos
2005 [P73]: https://poctra.com/2005-FORD-CROWN-VICTORIA/id-AMpKQFrfkORKNnnr/LAS-VEGAS-NV/Photos
https://poctra.com/2005-FORD-CROWN-VICTORIA/id-AsdaYMpyRpnl7vli/CHARLESTON-SC/Photos
I did not see any [P73] after MY 2005.
Baube
some parents tired of " are we there yet ? " could agree with the location...
night cub
I made a graphic and added it, but I would not say decklid, as that sounds like the child seat is being anchored to the trunk on the outside of the car. Parcel Shelf would be the location.
dhill_cb7
@rtsbusman1997 also, 2000 brough rear child anchors on the decklid. Obviously it helps with models where the tail lamps are swapped.
This change occurred on Mercury Grand Marquis as well.
@night cub can you update your main post to reflect these verified findings. We now have to determine if the change was on all [P7]s. We know it was on [P74/73].
This change occurred on Mercury Grand Marquis as well.
@night cub can you update your main post to reflect these verified findings. We now have to determine if the change was on all [P7]s. We know it was on [P74/73].
rtsbusman1997
yeah it was a mid year change (summer of 03 I think)
little side note (if you didn’t see it): 1999+ Commercial Taxi Package models didn’t have chrome door handles by default, they had black ones standard (it would have to have been a special order)
little side note (if you didn’t see it): 1999+ Commercial Taxi Package models didn’t have chrome door handles by default, they had black ones standard (it would have to have been a special order)
dhill_cb7
The 2003 B-pillars were black and transitioned to body colored. Pulled plenty of VINs to confirm. It was a mid-year shift. Here are just two examples of the many I pulled.
http://gtcarlot.com/colors/car/2829993-6.html - 2003 black.
http://gtcarlot.com/colors/car/34095353-6.html - 2003 body colored.
Both are LX. Base [P73] also had this change.
http://gtcarlot.com/colors/car/2829993-6.html - 2003 black.
http://gtcarlot.com/colors/car/34095353-6.html - 2003 body colored.
Both are LX. Base [P73] also had this change.