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forum_emoticons.html	[quote=Harold B,90175]I found the Made for Movie category recently, and I went through it to see what I could identify. I came away from that confused, because it seems to me that there isn't much of a rhyme or reason when a prop/replica/CGI vehicle gets stuck in Made for Movie versus being treated like it's a real vehicle. Animated vehicles are always treated as though they are real, but they can sometimes be even less accurate to the real thing than a replica/CGI model is. There are some instances on the site where a prop/replica vehicle is put under the category of the real vehicle it is meant to imitate, while other times those prop vehicles are put under Made for Movie. There are some instances where a real vehicle is dressed up as another vehicle, and sometimes it is put under the category of the vehicle that it really is, other times under the category of the vehicle it's dressed up as, and other times under Made for Movie. Example: SU-76M as fake Chi-Ha - under SU-76M [url]https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_857087-GAZ-SU-76-M.html[/url] FV432* as fake Chi-Ha - under Chi-Ha Replica [url]https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1444391-Mitsubishi-Type-97-Chi-Ha-Kai-Replica-1938.html[/url] SU-76M as fake Chi-Ha - under Made for Movie [url]https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1659413-Made-for-Movie-Type-97-Chi-Ha.html[/url] This happens particularly a lot with tanks, or at least that's where I've noticed it since that is what my interest is in. It would seem logical that all props/replicas (at least the ones which cannot be identified as based on a real vehicle) should go under Made for Movie, since they were not manufactured by the real manufacturer; their manufacturer is "movie". But if that were to be the case, then most German and Japanese tanks that aren't from stock footage would need to be moved, because they're all replicas. Further, when a prop vehicle can be positively identified, should it be treated as the vehicle it is underneath, or should it be treated as the vehicle it is trying to imitate? In my opinion it should be listed as the vehicle it really is with the vehicle it's pretending to be listed as additional info. For example, there's a large amount of Chieftain tanks which are dressed up as M1 Abrams (actually it's probably all the same vehicle, but it's used in a ton of movies) https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Made+for+Movie&model=M1+%27Abrams%27&model I think, personally, that these should be listed under Chieftain rather than Made for Movie. Please advise what should go where. If a thread is needed to identify what are props and what are costumed vehicles, so they can be moved to the correct category, I would contribute to that. Maybe people who aren't as familiar with tanks as I am aren't able to spot them, but they stick out like a sore thumb to me.[/quote]
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antp

Thanks, updated

Harold B

Harold B

Kurganmashzavod BMP-1 as FAMH Saint-Chamond
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1718154-FAMH-Saint-Chamond.html

These two makes should be combined, they are the same thing. I believe FAMOS is more correct.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-FAMOS.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Famos+Hrasnica.html

Aveling-Barford Universal Carrier as Fiat M13/40
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_228556-Fiat-M13-40.html

Fiat M14/41
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1153053-Fiat-M13-40.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_549450-Fiat-M13-40-1940.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_330794-Fiat-M11-39.html Additional info: Pz.Kpfw. M14/41 736(i)

Fiat M15/42
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1315875-Fiat-M14-41-1941.html

Fisher M10 3in GMC - The name "Wolverine" is completely fictional and was never used by any military. The earliest use of it I know of is from the January 1991 issue of Armor magazine, but from the way it's used it had to have originated somewhere else. Many people think it first came from a model kit, which often make up "cool" names for vehicles, but I've never been able to find one with that name that predates 1991. Other people attribute it to the British or Canadians, but we have all the paperwork for their naming schemes and it never appears. Officially to the British it was "Q.F. 3-inch Gun, M7 on Carriage Motor M10". "Curate" was proposed, but never stuck. "Achilles" was the official nickname given and was meant to apply to all versions of the M10 in British service, but only stuck to the 17pdr version.
Anyway, please remove "Wolverine" and change it to M10 3in GMC
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Fisher&model=M10+

Fisher M10 Achilles
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_47923-Fisher-M10--Wolverine--1942.html date is wrong

Massey-Harris M36 Jackson
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1511098-Fisher-M10--Wolverine-.html

Harold B

antp

Sorry, I didn't notice they had different hull-comment.
And that last one is indeed a mistake: I renamed all with the same name and then forgot to change back the single non-hull :grin:

Harold B

Correct, just remove "Patton" from the M60s

These three have "TTS" listed twice, repeated in the additional info where it doesn't need to be
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_377429-Chrysler-M60-A3--Patton-.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1261113-Chrysler-M60-A3--Patton--1951.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1640197-Chrysler-M60-A3--Patton--1980.html

These two M-50s are based on the M4A3, not M4A4
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1298298-Chrysler-M50--Sherman-.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1059482-Chrysler-M50--Sherman-.html

and then this one I can't tell what hull it has, so I wouldn't put anything there
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1460799-Chrysler-M50--Sherman-.html

antp

I think I finished updating all what you posted here.
About all these M60 with Patton in their name, do I simply remove the "Patton" (as you said no version of the M60 was ever called "Patton") or do you prefer to review them?

edit: the forum has a bug with the "%" sign in URLs, to find all M60 Patton just put "M60%patton" in the Model field of the search page, https://www.imcdb.org/search.php

antp

I thought that it is what you meant, I didn't get that I only had to remove the extra info from these :grin:

Harold B

You made a mistake, you put the Made for Movie Hanomag Sd.Kfz.251 under M74 by accident
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_27157-BMY-M74-Tank-Recovery-Vehicle.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_205481-BMY-M74-Tank-Recovery-Vehicle.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1938975-BMY-M74-Tank-Recovery-Vehicle.html

M48A5K missing the name Patton
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_726393-Chrysler-M48-A5-K.html

antp

Quote From: Harold B

Since you started removing the quotes from the General names, would you like me to make a list of the categories which still have them?

No need of a detailed list, just a basic list of the names that should be modified allows me to find them when needed. I'm still not sure if I want to already change them now or wait that I have a solution to avoid dead link (I usually removed quotes on those that had very few occurrences on the site, or for "new" model names)

So there is:
Patton
Abrams
Sherman
Walker Bulldog
Lee
Magach

and maybe a few others?

Still to do: post with M60s here above.