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eLMeR
The discussion started here. I just kept the part of comments concerning the make of these buses.
eLMeR, 2015-04-29:
1959-62 side roof signal, so GM logo (and make?), not GMC.
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mp775, 2015-04-30:
The emblem in the front says GM, but they were built by the GMC Truck & Coach division on General Motors.
1960 TDH5301 Builders Plate - http://www.kevinsbusrail.com/ets/432/ets_438plate.jpg
1961 TDH5301/TDH5302 sales brochure - http://2670.antiquesnavigator.com/ebay/images/2011/200668628544.jpg
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antp, 2015-04-30:
Built by GMC, but sold as what? What we use as make is the name under which the vehicles were sold/advertised, not the name of the company who builds them (or else we would need to list some European Mitsubishi as VDL Nedcar, for example :D)
We have a mix of GM & GMC here on the site for these buses, some day we should decide how to list that properly.
mp775, 2015-04-30:
The emblem changed from "GM Coach" to "GMC Coaches" in 1968, but it was still the same "GMC Truck & Coach Division." Buses aren't heavily branded or marketed. New York City Transit referred to all General Motors buses since 1959 as GMC on this 1972 depot assignment sheet - http://bustalk.info/documents/NYCTA_Roster_3-1-72.pdf
eLMeR, 2015-05-01:
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By the way, I see... GM as make logo in the brochure and the builders Plate you linked. It wouldn't be the first vehicle in the IMCDb (and in the physical life) to have had different makes during its life: I "worked" with some White-Freightliner / Freightliner trucks these days, for example...
@ antp: I think TDH and co should be set as complement, if we want to find all 'New Look' in the same pages. Other way, there will possibly be some contributors using it as reference even if the model is different...
mp775, 2015-05-01:
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The logo may say GM, but the name of the division is GMC Truck & Coach. On this site, GM appears to be used only for concept vehicles, trucks that can't be identified as either GMC or Chevrolet, and a handful of buses where GM and GMC are used interchangeably. Trucks built by the same GMC Truck & Coach Division in the same era are listed as GMC.[/quote]
I agree that it makes sense to combine these under "New Look" and use the actual model designation as a trim level or extra information, even if it isn't officially a model name.
eLMeR, 2015-04-29:
1959-62 side roof signal, so GM logo (and make?), not GMC.
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mp775, 2015-04-30:
The emblem in the front says GM, but they were built by the GMC Truck & Coach division on General Motors.
1960 TDH5301 Builders Plate - http://www.kevinsbusrail.com/ets/432/ets_438plate.jpg
1961 TDH5301/TDH5302 sales brochure - http://2670.antiquesnavigator.com/ebay/images/2011/200668628544.jpg
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antp, 2015-04-30:
Built by GMC, but sold as what? What we use as make is the name under which the vehicles were sold/advertised, not the name of the company who builds them (or else we would need to list some European Mitsubishi as VDL Nedcar, for example :D)
We have a mix of GM & GMC here on the site for these buses, some day we should decide how to list that properly.
mp775, 2015-04-30:
The emblem changed from "GM Coach" to "GMC Coaches" in 1968, but it was still the same "GMC Truck & Coach Division." Buses aren't heavily branded or marketed. New York City Transit referred to all General Motors buses since 1959 as GMC on this 1972 depot assignment sheet - http://bustalk.info/documents/NYCTA_Roster_3-1-72.pdf
eLMeR, 2015-05-01:
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By the way, I see... GM as make logo in the brochure and the builders Plate you linked. It wouldn't be the first vehicle in the IMCDb (and in the physical life) to have had different makes during its life: I "worked" with some White-Freightliner / Freightliner trucks these days, for example...
@ antp: I think TDH and co should be set as complement, if we want to find all 'New Look' in the same pages. Other way, there will possibly be some contributors using it as reference even if the model is different...
mp775, 2015-05-01:
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The logo may say GM, but the name of the division is GMC Truck & Coach. On this site, GM appears to be used only for concept vehicles, trucks that can't be identified as either GMC or Chevrolet, and a handful of buses where GM and GMC are used interchangeably. Trucks built by the same GMC Truck & Coach Division in the same era are listed as GMC.[/quote]
I agree that it makes sense to combine these under "New Look" and use the actual model designation as a trim level or extra information, even if it isn't officially a model name.