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First one says Ursus
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The 1947+ Ursus was a Lanz-copy. I cannot find something in the Wiki-article about Ursus und as it seems I haven't made a photo of the badge - on which it's something said as "Ursus, license Lanz".
Anyways, sooner or later, when I have more time, I will be back there, than I will deliver the pic of the badge in addition.