Question for G-MANN. You said in another topic "But then look at these horrible cars he's choosing between, only Explorer4x4 could have such poor taste." Why? It seems you are a bit, stupid, by saying my taste is bad in cars. You don't like that me/my family are getting an SUV, yet, you (and everyone else really) say the Ford Tempo is a bad car. I don't quite understand this, because the Tempo is a compact, four-cylinder economy sedan. Far better for the environment, safer for the people I might run into, easier to maneuver then cars like the Saturn Outlook and Dodge Durango. Hell, the diesel Ford Tempo (1984 and 1985 only, powered by a 2.0L Mazda Diesel I4) gets about the same miles per gallon as the Toyota Prius Hybrid.

Anyway, since I know you all love the Ford Tempo, here are new pictures of mine.







btw, we scrapped the plan of getting a new family car. We're just sticking with our 2002 Chevy Silverado.

I can't say whether or not the Tempo is actually a "bad car", I've never driven/ridden in one. But you have to accept it's a only a regular car, and not much more. It's just we all enjoyed making fun of it because the way you reacted whenever one got wrecked in a movie was so funny and over-the-top. And some of the things you said about it (about how cool it was) were pretty daft. If I ever called the Tempo a bad car, I was probably only winding you up, I'm not really in a position to judge that particular car, I don't find it offensive. It's an acceptable looking car for it's era (although I think a lot of 80s cars look very dated and unappealing now, that's my opinion) but not something I (or many other people) find beautiful. Although I've never driven an SUV, I'm against them on principle (too many people buy them for the wrong reasons) and I find a lot of them to be ugly. I think it's good that you drive a Tempo instead of an SUV.

However I really find your taste in cars leaves a lot to be desired, your top 50 cars list (in the top 100 cars list) was full of new SUVs and pickups, there were a few nice classics on the list but it's just not the kind of list a true car connoisseur would make, IMO. And those family cars you asked us to choose between, they were all pretty rubbish. Fine if you disagree with me, but I'm not "stupid" for criticizing your taste in cars, you have been so rude to members of this site and acted like a little jackass at times so you deserve it. I can't remember you ever apologizing for anything instead you keep sneaking back (despite your ban) in very obvious ways, I don't think antp will ever let you back here as a member now.

Lest you forget exactly what got you banned, go back to this thread:
http://forum.imcdb.org/forum_topic-1041-10501-Just_wondering___.html#p10501

Why should older people who have far more knowledge and experience take this kind of shit from a 14/15 year old who hasn't even begun to live in the real world? If you wanted to slag people off, you should have gone to an IMDB forum or youtube (not that I condone this, but you would have gotten away with it easier).

Well if I have previously critisized you or your car in forums here I'm sorry myself. I came here a while after you've been banned, but if you can clean up your act antp might let you return, but I can't say this for sure.

The truth is Explorer, you never really contributed much to this site, apart from info about the Tempo and maybe a couple of other cars, you never provided pictures for movies or identified many cars. So when you would start big debate about cars (a lot of stuff you said was pure bullshit), people started to think "do we need to have this guy around?"

My tastes in cars have changed. Tempo is still #1, but I'm not that big on SUV's any more. To be honest, I hate them. I think they are genius creations used in the wrong way. Maybe 1 in 100 owners of SUV's use their cars capabilities to their fullest. I still have a thing for the original, first generation Explorer. But they weren't gigantic (think Honda CR-V, not Chevy Suburban 2500), and they didn't have gigantic engines (4.0L V6's). No, I don't want to ever get one, but I still like them for their appearance, their ride, the versatility and off-roading ability (yes, I have a relative who has a 1994 XLT 4x4 Explorer).

Otherwise, my tastes have ultimately shifted towards older 1980's Fords (Taurus, Tempo, Escort and their Mercury relatives), 1950's Plymouths (once again, I'd rather not own one due to price of maintenance and gasoline). That top 100 list of my favorite cars isn't accurate any more. Example of my change in car taste is that while Explorer4x4 on IMCDb, I hated the Smart ForTwo. I mocked its small size and power. Now I am a big supporter of it, I really hope it catches on in America. I think its a genius car, and only hope that SUV owners will figure out that you don't have to have a gigantic land yacht to be safe and happy. If everyone who didn't need a pickup truck bed, towing or off-roading capability drove a Smart ForTwo as their daily/urban driver, life would be a million times easier and better. For everyone.

I do have an account on IMCDb, I have had one for over a two months. No one has noticed it is me. So yeah, at this point, I think I'm just being banned for being Explorer4x4. Not because of my actions. I am fully aware I was a terrible member that deserved to be banned (looking back, I can't believe I wasn't banned sooner).

About the Tempo, yeah, its not that great. Its no where near as great as I made it out to be. But its a good car. I think it is a good looking car (my personal preference), its reliable, fuel efficient and comfortable. It does everything I want it to. Its not fast, its not cool, its not powerful. But it does get the job done well.

You must understand that America is different from Europe. Those four choices are required. We opted away from the Dodge Durango because it was too big, too costly and was terrible as far as gas was concerned. The Honda Odyssey is a minivan, not an SUV. I come from a family of eight people. Yeah, we can't get a Ford Focus. The Saturn Outlook is a bit big, but it gets the same miles per gallon as the Odyssey and is ultimately the same height and length as your average minivan or MPV. We can't go any smaller. We can go bigger, but not smaller. We have eight people (and we use all eight seats at least twice a week), ten dogs, multiple other animals and lets not start on friends and relatives. If a station wagon were offered with eight seats and room for dogs we'd buy it. There are some, but most of them are older cars with gigantic engines. The Ford Taurus Wagon sat eight, but we'd rather not have a Taurus (reliability issues, and we would rather have a new car). Living in this rural part of Alaska (famous for its snow and harsh weather conditions), All Wheel Drive is nearly required. If you have another suggestion for a family car for us, please tell me. There are no other smaller minivans or crossovers available in America. We aren't rich, so we can't import a car from Europe (even so, I don't know if you guys have any eight passenger minivans or estates).

Furthermore, I have been talking to my parents and trying to convince them to downsize. We've agreed on one thing. We have the Silverado and F-150, and we have my Tempo. We plan to get an eight passenger family vehicle (might even go used, if we have to), like the Outlook or Odyssey. So if we do, we (my two parents and I) will use my Ford Tempo for daily commutes in which we aren't transporting more then five people or animals. If we need more then five seats or if we are transporting animals, we will simply use the family vehicle. If we need off-roading or towing prowess, or if we need a truck bed, we'll use either the F-150 or Silverado. Yes, we do occasionally need to tow and we do use a truck bed often. Last weekend, my entire family (and two other family's) went to Kanovolof Lake in Nikiski to our property there (beautiful spot, forty acres including lake frontage). We brought the Silverado, my uncle brought his 1988 Ford F-150, my aunt brought her Suburban and two other people brought their trucks (1970's Chevrolet Scottsdale 10 and a 2003 Ford F-250 Super Duty). Every single truck was filled to the brim of wood, which we cut down and made to fit our wood-burning stove (our source of heat at our cabin). We could not have done it without those trucks. Here are two pictures from that day, all of the trucks lined up after being loaded.


With my family's lifestyle, we just can't live without these trucks.

Having read all of your above comment, all I can say is for the most part, I’m speechless. You don’t sound like the Explorer4x4 I know. You sound ... well now you sound grown-up and mature. Which is good. However, actions speak louder than words, so we’ll have to see if the change is permanent.

I think I have changed, but thats up for you all to decide. Like I said, I've had an account on IMCDb for about two months and no one has yet discovered its me. Even if I am never really allowed back on IMCDb I will understand. I was nothing short of an idiotic little shit on IMCDb. Yeah, I'm not perfect even now, but I'm even embarrassed of my previous actions. I wish I was able to delete nearly all my comments made by my Explorer4x4 account, because its so ridiculously shameful.

just out of curiosity, under what name did you post?

Explorer4x4? For those interested (doubt any of you are, but oh well), here is my new house in Alaska. Built in the 1950's by my grandpa. Sections of it have been added on over the years. It sits on the edge of a truly breathtaking lake, which we pretty much have all to ourself.

Listen Explorer, if you wanted to come back, you really should have contacted antp privately and made an apology. But sneaking back and defying your ban with different usernames is not going to endear him to you.

Which one is it, what's your new site username? Where was your last post?

On the other hand it is not only me that should decide that... so admins will deliberate

Well, you're the webmaster, he should have emailed you first (then you could have asked other admins) instead of sneaking back here numerous times.

I'd prefer not to give out my IMCDb name, as I would likely be re-banned from the site again. But if you have to know, it is "TheJudge". I'm not that active anymore though.

G-Mann, I would have e-mailed antp, but I figured it wasn't only up to him to decide (he isn't the only administrator). It wasn't only him I had something to say to either, and I thought my case would be more compelling if I made sort of a public announcement instead of a private message to one person. I don't know if it was the right decision or not, but I can't change it now.

oh dear, not again, please... unreadable science projects about nothing..

Have you considered a used Chevy Uplander with low mileage? Maybe an 05 or 06. I thought you said that you ditched the new car idea.

The Uplander only seats seven, we need eight.

The Ford Expedition seats 8; and has On demand four-wheel-drive/AWD. And since you said your family has to have truck-like vehicles the Expedition will perform truck-like duties, as it is based off of the F-150.

Just food for thought.

Well I know you hate Japanese cars, but try a used Pilot. btw that's a cool house.

Expedition's are too gas thirsty for our tight budget, as well as just being too expensive to buy. The Saturn Outlook provides the space we need with good gas mileage (more then the most fuel efficient minivan). While its exterior appearance is big, dimension-wise its not much bigger then an Odyssey or Grand Caravan.

MBSL65fan, I don't have Japanese cars. Used to. I don't like them, but I don't hate them. Toyota and Honda make excellent cars, most just as good or better then what Ford is offering at present. We considered the Pilot, but if we went Honda (which we might), then we would go for the eight-passenger Odyssey minivan.