Subject: interesting/funny/special cars sightings
08/08/2008 @ 02:23:48: taxiguy: interesting/funny/special cars sightings
You can get high-speed rated tires here too, they just cost more than regular ones do. I think the reason that the tires in US cost less than they do in Europe is simply becuase most things generally cost less in the US than they do in Europe.
08/08/2008 @ 03:52:21: 58_Roadmaster: interesting/funny/special cars sightings
To clarify your remark, The US dollar buys less in Eurpoe than it does in the US. Prices are lower in the US, especially in the eyes of shopping tourists. New York, Miami, and I assume, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, and Las Vegas upmarket retailers are seing an increase in this kind of activity.

Even Canadians are coming across the border into places like Buffalo, NY! And where are all of our beautiful old cars going? Oh well, at least they will still be loved! :cry:
08/08/2008 @ 05:06:35: taxiguy: interesting/funny/special cars sightings
And where are all of our beautiful old cars going? Oh well, at least they will still be loved! :cry:


Are you suggesting that cars are being taken into other countries? Becuase it is actullay harder to import/export a used car than you might think it is.

An interesting fact, the 1994-95 Dodge Spirit cannot cross the US/Canada border either way, due to the fact that the US-spec model's passenger side automatic seat belt does not comply with Canada federal safety regulations.
08/08/2008 @ 05:28:43: IRT_BMT_IND: interesting/funny/special cars sightings


Are you suggesting that cars are being taken into other countries? Becuase it is actullay harder to import/export a used car than you might think it is.

An interesting fact, the 1994-95 Dodge Spirit cannot cross the US/Canada border either way, due to the fact that the US-spec model's passenger side automatic seat belt does not comply with Canada federal safety regulations.


The mass export of used cars in not uncommon. Lots of used cars from Europe end up in Africa, it was pretty common a few years ago for used cars from the US to end up in Mexico (the Mexican government stopped this because the automakers lobbied them), and Japan exports millions of used cars every year because strict safety inspections make it uneconomical to maintain an old car.
08/08/2008 @ 06:08:01: 58_Roadmaster: interesting/funny/special cars sightings
I was hinting at Sweden and other European nations such as Germany and Italy that are gobbling up our finned fantasies, because the buying power is so strong against the US dollar. I'm acknowledging that it happens, and I am happy the cars are loved and preserved, whichever side of the Atlantic or Pacific Oceans they finally reside.
08/08/2008 @ 06:09:59: taxiguy: interesting/funny/special cars sightings
Pacific? I doubt many folks in China and Japan really want a '57 Chevy :tongue:
08/08/2008 @ 10:15:28: antp: interesting/funny/special cars sightings
I'd be surprised if a 3-cylinder Metro with 50-somnething horsepower could go much faster than 130 km/h (82 mph), and it'd be really hanging on for dear life at that speed! :tongue:


For sure it can do that and it must handle correctly at that speed.
http://www.autoweb-france.com/fiches-techniques/Suzuki/fiche_3122_Suzuki_Swift_1.0_3p.php
-> 145 km/h max.
I do not recall any normal car sold here in the last 20-30 years which would not be able to reach 140 km/h, except the smart which is limited to 120 or 130 I think.
But as Ingo said, for the handling the tires in Europe are probably much different... Suspensions may be different too.

A short story about Italian higways. My mother took a trip to Italy a few years ago (2003) and she rode on the freewy in a taxicab that she swore had the speedometer just under 200 km/h! I find it hard to beleive that the tires didn't blow out at that speed (though maybe the taxi had special racing tires fitted on it :grin: )


I do not know for rest of Europe (but I think it is the same) but in Belgium legally the tires must be ready for speeds higher than max speed of the car.
So if your car can do 200 km/h you must buy tires allowing such speed even if you never drive faster than the 120 limit :grin:

For example my 206 can do about 170 km/h (but never tried above 130-140 :grin: ), so its tires MUST allow at least that.
Tires sold here have a max speed code:
http://www.pneus-online.fr/public/static_popup/popup_indice_vitesse.php
Only 3rd column (>150 km/h) is used for car tires.
I think my car has "H" series tires, despite it is not useful to have a so high value (210 km/h, my car does only 170), they do not bother to make a large range of tire models.
08/08/2008 @ 10:46:27: ingo: interesting/funny/special cars sightings
@taxiguy: don't think that. Japanese car-freaks are very interested in high-priced classic cars from Europe and America. Several of them visit events like that: http://www.siha.de/ to buy and export classic cars. They are looking for the most expensive ones.

As TRT_BMT_IND has said, the export of used cars around the world is a really big business.

About used Japanse cars in New Zealand. When I've been there 10 years ago, one day the port of Auckland was totally empty - the next day filled with freshly imported used cars. All kind of cars, from a tiny Subaru up to buses and construction-machines.

In other RHD-countries you can find used cars from Japan, too, for example in Britain and Ireland (they even have a special license-plate-size for them).

In Russia, too. Recently I've read, that the majority of cars in Sibera are RHD, because imported from Japan.


Actually, with the weak US-$, it's interesting to export classic cars from the US to Europe. It was done in the early 90ies, too, but it was getting less, when the $ was higher. Now it's attractive again. To Germany the dealers ship sometimes classic muscle-cars or big Cadillacs, but mainly old Mercedes, Porsche, VW Karmann Ghia and British roadsters. Mainly car, where the most of the production was exported to the USA, for example Volvo 1800, Porsche 356 or Austin Healey 3000.

Germans take cars, which are older than 30 years (because of the cheaper classic-car-registration), guys from Holland prefer cars older than 25 years (then they are tax-free).

And for sure, the export out of Europe is extreme big. In Germany 80%(!) of the used cars weren't crushed in the shredders here, they went to the export!

A lot of cars go to Eastern Europe, Russia, Bulgaria and so on. Because the direct import to Russia is not allowed, the cars were brought to Lithuania and Latuvia and then smuggled into Russia.

I'm living close to a Autobahn in West-East-direction - every day I see lots of trucks wit Lithuanian plates loaded with used cars from Germany, Belgium, France and even from Britain (RHD doesn't matter, it seems) direction Eastwards.

Rougher cars, expecially Japanese, Mercedes, Peugeot Diesel, jeeps, small vans and trucks were brought to Africa (these are the trucks in the other direction).

And the export of big trucks and buses is a big business, too. In Germany there are nearly no trucks and buses to find on junk-yards! I guess, that 95 to 99% of them were exported.
So you will find trucks and buses with old German company-logos in the deepest africa, in Afghanistan and somewhere else.

At my vacations 1993 on Corfu/Greece I had to smile, when I was lying at the beach and in the background an old smaller Mercedes truck was passing. It had a logo from a very popular beer of my home-area on the side and even the company-name of the distributor. :smile:
One day we made a one-day-trip from there to Albania. The bus, we were travelling in, was originally used in my home-town. The logos and stickers were still existing. I wasn't sure, but it could be, that around 10 years ago, with exactly that bus, we had made a school-excoursion.


Because the local taxes in Europe are still different, it can be attractive to buy a new car in annother european country. They are called "Euro-Re-Import".
08/08/2008 @ 11:08:52: chris40: interesting/funny/special cars sightings
Back in 1999 I had to spend a few days in Skopje, Macedonia. I saw an LDV 400 van, with a Skopje registration and right-hand drive. Not only was it of a pattern exclusive to Parcelforce (the parcels delivery arm of Royal Mail) - they have a distinctive roller-shutter instead of rear doors - but it still had full Parcelforce livery.
08/08/2008 @ 12:31:57: ingo: interesting/funny/special cars sightings
In Moscow I've seen a few yellow Mercedes Transporters, like that one:
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/showDetails.html?id=68951974&__lp=38&scopeId=V- UT75&sortOption.sortBy=searchNetGrossPrice&sortOption.sortOrder=ASCENDING&makeModelVariant1.- makeId=17200&makeModelVariant1.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant2.searchIn- Freetext=false&makeModelVariant3.searchInFreetext=false&vehicleCategory=VanUpTo7- 500&segment=Truck&siteId=GERMANY&negativeFeatures=EXPORT&colors=YELLOW&damageUnrepaired=- NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&grossPrice=false&customerIdsAsString=&lang=de&pageNumber=8

They were made specially for the German Post. It sems, that they are quite popular in Russia, because I've seen more than a dozen within 5 days.
The importer (obviously specialized in old German Post-Transporter) sits close to the stadium. I've seen his parking lot, when we passed it on the way up to the Lomonossov-university.

When my wife and me have picked up our former Bundeswehr-cars (bought by auctions there: www.vebeg.de ), the soldiers, who gave us the keys and the papers, have told us, that it's quite unusal, that privat German persons have bought the cars. Mostly the old Army-cars (mainly VW Transporter T3 and T4, VW Golf II and III, Opel Astra, Vectra, and many more - always 4-door-Diesel-cars) were picked up in block by foreign export-dealers from South-East-Europe or Africa.
08/08/2008 @ 21:36:50: taxiguy: interesting/funny/special cars sightings

I do not know for rest of Europe (but I think it is the same) but in Belgium legally the tires must be ready for speeds higher than max speed of the car.


Such a waste... :halalala: What is the point of this? Why would there be such a law? I would say 95% of people never drive their cars anywhere close to their top-speeds! The only way you could even legally do that is if you went to a race track! (though I suppose if you were in certain European countries you could just drive on one of the "no-limit" freeways :grin: )

And also, if we had the same law here in the US (which we obviously don't) then when you are watching those high speed Los Angeles-style freeway chases on the news, the tires of the fleeing car wouldn't blow out like they do, and that wouldn't be fun to watch at all! :grin: )

I am surprised about the Metro also, that it can go 90 mph. But still, that is not fast at all. Even my dad's old '86 Camry can go faster than that! :tongue:
08/08/2008 @ 21:40:56: antp: interesting/funny/special cars sightings

Such a waste... :halalala: What is the point of this?


Prevent from tire explosion in case you go above limits...
And nothing prevents me to go at 170 km/h legally in Germany, that's not far from Belgium.


But still, that is not fast at all.


That's good for a small 3-cyl 1L car.
09/08/2008 @ 03:00:40: taxiguy: interesting/funny/special cars sightings
Prevent from tire explosion in case you go above limits...


But if you are going over the limits, then you are breaking the law (assuming you're not in Germany) and why should you be protected if you're breaking the law in the first place? :tongue:




That's good for a small 3-cyl 1L car.


Really? Well it's hard to determine since there are realy no other 3-cyl cars to compare it to! :grin:

Though I suppose there may be a couple in Europe, but aren't even the smallest ones still mostly 4-cyl? (I do not count electric or hybrid cars)
09/08/2008 @ 11:51:37: antp: interesting/funny/special cars sightings
But if you are going over the limits, then you are breaking the law (assuming you're not in Germany) and why should you be protected if you're breaking the law in the first place? :tongue:


That's not a reason for putting people in danger :tongue:

Really? Well it's hard to determine since there are realy no other 3-cyl cars to compare it to! :grin:

Though I suppose there may be a couple in Europe, but aren't even the smallest ones still mostly 4-cyl? (I do not count electric or hybrid cars)

Indeed 3-cyl engine is not so common.
The Citroën C1 / Peugeot 107 / Toyota Aygo have a 3-cyl 1L engine and have a top speed of 157 km/h, but these are much newer than the old Swift.
11/08/2008 @ 02:30:41: BlackIce_GTS: interesting/funny/special cars sightings
Three cylinder engines have vibration issues, they're mostly used only in the very smallest and/or cheapest cars. Usually it's better to just make a very small 4-cyl.

With regards to importing vehicles, in Canada we can (and do) bring in anything over 15 years old. Mitsubishi Delicia 4WD vans are very popular, and I see R32 Nissan Skylines about as often as I see C4 Corvettes. There are a few companies around here that specialize in importing kei cars, but I've only seen a Nissan Pao and a Daihatsu HiJet truck.
12/08/2008 @ 03:35:42: taxiguy: interesting/funny/special cars sightings
While looking at car photos on flickr, I found this interesting one bearing the user name of a certain IMCDb member :grin:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8490341@N04/2693758212/
12/08/2008 @ 15:30:27: Neptune: interesting/funny/special cars sightings
I was watching a show yesterday on the Science channel called Robocars: The Future.
I saw a concept car (or I think it was a concept car) that looked like a futuristic Citroën DS with the sloped back and everything. I could have sworn it was. Does Citroën have a DS concept car?
12/08/2008 @ 15:50:33: antp: interesting/funny/special cars sightings
Not as far as I know.
And I do not see what it could be :figti:
13/08/2008 @ 04:23:01: taxiguy: interesting/funny/special cars sightings
Went out the other day and spotted some cars

A MkVIII for Neon :smile:

http://i38.tinypic.com/29n9w2c.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/xde5o8.jpg


A very sad looking Chevette. Notice that it no longer has a grille. Also note the poorly done aftermarket bodyside striping :tongue:

http://i35.tinypic.com/213hd0p.jpg


A slightly rare car, a 1983-84 Pontiac Parisienne. At first I thought it was just a regualr Caprice, no big deal. But when I got closer I noticed the taillights were a little bit wrong. And of course it said "Pontiac" on the trunk :grin:

http://i36.tinypic.com/biqsug.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/2rxaff4.jpg
13/08/2008 @ 09:16:54: antp: interesting/funny/special cars sightings

A MkVIII for Neon :smile:


I like that one, I like thin headlights, like on the Citroën XM
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