Subject: Mass change model info thread
18/03/2024 @ 23:23:32: 48bux: Mass change model info thread
Agree too with the change of origin. Not sure if the right chassis would be 5C6 or 1B :think:

Anyway, could you please set all Fiat Scudo as origin France and all Scudo 1a serie with chassis code [220]? 2a serie should already all have [270] as chassis code. Thanks in advance :smile:
19/03/2024 @ 14:17:27: antp: Mass change model info thread
Done, I also added FR as default country for the Scudo.
20/03/2024 @ 01:17:30: dhill_cb7: Mass change model info thread
antp can we change the origin of the Honda Accord Wagon over to USA? Per Japanese \

wiki:

April 1, 1990
The Accord coupe has undergone a model change and is now on sale. This model was also developed and produced in the United States, and was equipped with an F20A engine.
April 4, 1991
Started selling the Accord Wagon, which was developed and produced in the United States like the Coupe . The engine is F22A type only.


https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%9B%E3%83%B3%E3%83%80%E3%83%BB%E3%82%A2%E3%8- 2%B3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89
20/03/2024 @ 01:19:34: dhill_cb7: Mass change model info thread
I should also mention the Aerodeck as well since that is the EU name for the Wagon.
20/03/2024 @ 14:56:42: antp: Mass change model info thread
I assume that this request only applies to the 1991+ CB9 and not the 1997+ CF/CM models?
20/03/2024 @ 16:01:09: Parzival49: Mass change model info thread
What's the model origin of 1st gen. Toyota Tundra?
Half of them listed as Japan, and some are USA

https://www.imcdb.org/search.php?resultsStyle=asList&sortBy=0&make=Toyota&model=- Tundra
21/03/2024 @ 21:09:29: dhill_cb7: Mass change model info thread
Yes exclude CF/CM. All prior to them should be US origin.

1991-1997 NA spec Wagon and 1991-1997 EU spec Aerodecks.


regarding the Tundra is appears it should be Jap origin.

It was introduced in 1999 as a successor to the T100 , which was exported from Japan . Like the T100, Hino Motors was in charge of development, and the North American Indiana Plant ( TMMI ) produced it.


https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%88%E3%83%A8%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BB%E3%82%BF%E3%8- 3%B3%E3%83%89%E3%83%A9
23/03/2024 @ 10:50:42: antp: Mass change model info thread
Most of the 2007+ models are listed as US origin, so I assume that at some point we decided to change at least these :figti:
I updated the older models as JP origin.

Honda updated.
30/03/2024 @ 20:55:15: night cub: Mass change model info thread
4th Generation Cadillac Escalade ESV (2015-2020)

These have long been screwed up because of an error that was on Wikipedia. It's part of the GMTK2 trucks, and both the short and long wheelbase versions were listed as being code "XL". The "XL" is only the short wheelbase models, and matches the codes for the Tahoe and the Yukon. The ESV should be code "YL", which matches the codes for the Suburban and Yukon XL. People are still adding these as "XL" and they have never been changed to be correct.

So please change all 2015-2020 ESV's to chassis code = GMT2KYL

https://imcdb.org/search.php?resultsStyle=asList&sortBy=0&yearFrom=2015&yearTo=2- 020&makeMatch=2&make=cadillac&modelMatch=1&model=escalade+esv&modelInclModel=on&modelInclChassis=- on&mk=&origin=&madein=&madefor=&role=


And since a lot of the regular Escalades are missing chassis codes, please add GMTK2XL to those:

https://imcdb.org/search.php?resultsStyle=asList&sortBy=0&yearFrom=2015&yearTo=2- 020&makeMatch=2&make=cadillac&modelMatch=2&model=escalade+&modelInclModel=on&modelInclChassis=- on&mk=&origin=&madein=&madefor=&role=&page=2

Thanks!
31/03/2024 @ 09:47:47: antp: Mass change model info thread
Updated. Shouldn't Wikipedia also be corrected? :grin:
31/03/2024 @ 10:29:08: night cub: Mass change model info thread
It has been but people still use the wrong number because they have been listed that way here.
04/04/2024 @ 14:55:45: antp: Mass change model info thread
If there is no objection I would clean the makes "Tianjin FAW Huali" & "Tianjin FAW Xiali" to use only Tianjin FAW as makes, or just "Xiali" for 1997-2008 models.
Cf https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=1731452#Comment3282875
13/04/2024 @ 11:00:23: opal: Mass change model info thread
Japan origin.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Perodua_model-Kelisa.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Proton&model=Wira&page=1
13/04/2024 @ 12:42:56: Lateef: Mass change model info thread
^ hmm... I don't think it's that easy.

The Kelisa was indeed based on the Daihatsu Mira, but with a different front end (including sheet metal). I think it's different enough to remain Malaysian origin. If we were to change the origin of cars based on original designs, we would probably have to change several Seats and Ladas as well and I don't think that's a good idea.

Same goes for the Wira, the taillight design (and trunklid) is different to that of the Lancer, it's not just a pure rebadge. And if we are to redesignate model origin, may I ask that the 5-door hatchback be left as Malaysian origin as no such Japanese variation existed (a bit like that Taiwanese Charade of which name escapes me at the moment).

On a related note, I do not understand why the Sava J4 has Spanish origin. Maybe the 1974+ facelift deviates enough from the original, but the early ones are clearly nothing more than a rebadge.
13/04/2024 @ 17:39:14: antp: Mass change model info thread
There are probably some Seat that should be changed though :wink:

About the Sava J4, probably because we just used Spanish origin as default. Should I already change all the pre-1974 S4?
13/04/2024 @ 23:58:29: dsl: Mass change model info thread
About the Sava J4, probably because we just used Spanish origin as default. Should I already change all the pre-1974 S4?

Probably yes, as we've got assorted designations which could usefully be straightened out. The post-74 facelift followed the end of the licencing agreement with BMC/Leyland UK, so Sava were able to cut loose with their own modifications, which then also spread across to parallel Pegaso-badged versions.
15/04/2024 @ 00:27:29: Exiv96: Mass change model info thread
^ hmm... I don't think it's that easy.

The Kelisa was indeed based on the Daihatsu Mira, but with a different front end (including sheet metal). I think it's different enough to remain Malaysian origin. If we were to change the origin of cars based on original designs, we would probably have to change several Seats and Ladas as well and I don't think that's a good idea.

Same goes for the Wira, the taillight design (and trunklid) is different to that of the Lancer, it's not just a pure rebadge. And if we are to redesignate model origin, may I ask that the 5-door hatchback be left as Malaysian origin as no such Japanese variation existed (a bit like that Taiwanese Charade of which name escapes me at the moment).


I agree with you about the Wira, as it was - especially the hatchback - an interesting cocktail with Mitsubishi ingredients, but the Perodua Kelisa is just a facelifted Cuore. Seen from the rear, one could be easily mistaken for the other.
18/04/2024 @ 17:52:56: andyhao: Mass change model info thread
Chassis code [X41] for these models
https://www.imcdb.org/search.php?resultsStyle=asList&sortBy=0&make=Dacia&model=S- olenza
19/04/2024 @ 03:05:28: 993cc: Mass change model info thread
I don't know if we can do or should do anything about this but ...Seems many Mercedes 190SL that appear in the pics with open or with closed soft-top have W121.042 chassis code https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Mercedes-Benz_model-W121.042.html . But this code means they are definitely the roadster version and not the W121.040 hardtop version. Which may or may not be true as their hardtop could be stored back at the person's garage :bigsmile: W121.040 hardtops could be had with or without a soft-top as well so that complicates matters... So we don't know if these pictured were indeed the roadster or the hardtop version. And many pics are quite bad to say if open top cars have at least no retracted soft-top so these would be hardtops as well (and could we still tell?). We can only tell for those that a hardtop appears in the picture (I fixed all those). I guess a solution would be to name those just W121 but then there would be no roadsters at all... I hope my point came across as now I look back it all looks a bit confusing :dawafigti:
19/04/2024 @ 03:13:13: dsl: Mass change model info thread
Do we actually benefit from having the .040 and .042 suffixes?? Plain W121 seems enough to me, with Roadster and Hardtop as added info if and when individual entries provide clear indications.

Sometimes we over-complicate codes without achieving anything useful.
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