Subject: Mass change model info thread
10/10/2024 @ 06:00:49: Harold B: Mass change model info thread
The manufacturer Vickers-Armstrongs https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Vickers-Armstrong.html is spelled incorrectly as "Vickers-Armstrong" without the S on the end. That is a common mistake, but "Armstrongs" is the correct spelling.
10/10/2024 @ 13:48:32: antp: Mass change model info thread
It does not seem so simple, seeing the discussion on the Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vickers-Armstrongs
At some point the company name changed then, it seems, originally it has no final S then?
13/10/2024 @ 13:45:46: Harold B: Mass change model info thread
The only argument for no S on the link you posted I see is someone from 2007 quoting "encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com", which was a copy of the old wikipedia page and has since been deleted and changed to Vickers-Armstrongs with S. The other person quoted various documents which show it is Vickers-Armstrongs, as do all of the original equipment data plates.
https://i.etsystatic.com/13649851/r/il/ff2e94/2134003525/il_fullxfull.2134003525- _3anb.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GENikTGWUAANqS6?format=jpg&name=large
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/CQYAAOSwnipWbitA/s-l1600.jpg
https://shop.unigreenscheme.co.uk/files/ITEM-37040-013.jpg?v=RIvbUlJBWt
A British historian I know, Craig Moore, as said in the past that the company merger documents in the Kew archive say Vickers-Armstrongs. He's hard to get ahold of though so I don't know if I can get a copy of that to prove it.

These two manuals are from 1936 and 1933 respectively
https://i.imgur.com/j0wx7VQ.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/edUXCiv.jpeg
14/10/2024 @ 11:34:21: antp: Mass change model info thread
I was a little lost between all there references :smile:
I renamed the vehicles to add the S, and added the old make to the list of automatic fixes so in case the name without S is searched on entered, it is automatically updated.
14/10/2024 @ 22:13:01: JB007: Mass change model info thread
For all "Renault FT", model is "FT17" and year is "1917+".
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Renault_model-FT.html

Year is "1920" for this:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_355717-Renault-FT-1920.html

Model is "FT17 Replica" for this:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_475174-Renault-FT-Replica.html

For all "Renault UE", year is "1932+".
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Renault_model-UE.html

For this is 1937.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1253880-Renault-UE-1937.html

For all "Renault R35", year is "1935+".
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Renault_model-R35.html

For all "Panhard 178", model is "AMD 178".
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Panhard_model-178.html

For 2 "Renault D2", year is "1936+".
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1039353-Renault-D2-1931.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1046516-Renault-D2-1931.html

For these, model is "AMD 178 B" and year is "1945+".
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_82248-Panhard-178-K63-1935.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_134057-Panhard-178-1940.html

For all "Berliet CBA", year is "1915+".
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Berliet_model-CBA.html

For all "Renault TRM 10000", year is "1988+".
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Renault_model-TRM+10000.html

For all "Renault GBC 180", year is "1998+".
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Renault_model-GBC+180.html

For informations:
https://www.autotitre.com/forum/Vehicules-speciaux/Photo-de-vehicule-Militaire-52937p87.htm#r39
15/10/2024 @ 03:07:01: Harold B: Mass change model info thread
I was a little lost between all there references :smile:
I renamed the vehicles to add the S, and added the old make to the list of automatic fixes so in case the name without S is searched on entered, it is automatically updated.


Sorry about that. I'm used to people being stubborn and having to provide a whole bunch of evidence to convince them.

For all "Renault FT", model is "FT17" and year is "1917+".
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Renault_model-FT.html

No it isn't. I just asked him to change this on the previous page of this thread. The proper name is Renault FT. Renault didn't use numbers in their model designations (except for two specific exceptions which I mentioned).




This is also wrong. You're confusing the manufacturer's name, Panhard 178, with the French army's name, AMD 35. In the case of the "AMD 178B" specifically you're probably taking it from the "world of tanks" game? I'm guessing, because that's the first google result for that phrase. Don't ever do that. All of the "history" from that game is BS.
The vehicle in those last two images isn't even an AMD 35 B, it's a one-off prototype that didn't receive a name. https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2-france-panhard-178-renault-47mm-gun-turret/ "Panhard 178 47mm" is the best description since you have to call it something.
15/10/2024 @ 06:48:21: antp: Mass change model info thread
I assume then that the changes other than those you quoted are OK to apply then?
16/10/2024 @ 03:15:32: Harold B: Mass change model info thread
I assume then that the changes other than those you quoted are OK to apply then?


I don't see anything else wrong, but I don't know the years by heart.
16/10/2024 @ 07:22:50: antp: Mass change model info thread


There are two as 1936, are these correct? (one was set by Lateef, who usually knows his stuff :D)
16/10/2024 @ 16:36:42: Lateef: Mass change model info thread
Yes, production ran from 1936-40 so those listed as 1935 should be updated instead.
16/10/2024 @ 18:10:46: antp: Mass change model info thread
Thanks, updated
24/10/2024 @ 00:43:17: Harold B: Mass change model info thread
antp asked me to make a post here about the idea of removing the quote marks around the names of American "General" tanks (M3 and M5 Stuart, M3 Lee/M3 Grant, M4 Sherman, M8 Scott, M24 Chaffee, M26 Pershing, M36 Jackson, M41 Walker Bulldog, M46/47/48 Patton, M551 Sheridan, M1 Abrams, M2 Bradley, M8 Buford, M10 Booker) in case anyone had a problem with that.

The names are official and appear on the manuals for some those vehicles, they aren't unofficial nicknames. For the WW2 vehicles the general names are the sole name they were known by to Commonwealth forces (UK, Canada, etc). "M3" didn't fit in the British naming scheme of [name][mark x], so they came up with Lee and the Americans adopted it retroactively.

https://i.imgur.com/LING34V.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/zoTPOZr.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/ukWDrDT.jpeg

Other nicknames, like M7 Priest, M36 Slugger, Jumbo (for M4A3E2 Sherman), and M151 Mutt were used at least to some degree by the troops but were not officially adopted. Those ones I would have put in quotes.

M18 Hellcat was an official nickname and unlike the rest came from the manufacturer, Buick.

It's worth noting here the M60 family of tanks did not have any nickname. It was specifically said during development that they were not to be called "Patton".

"Wolverine" for the M10 3in GMC is completely made up and was never used by anyone. It is believed to have come from a toy company probably in the 1990s.

Edit: Correction, Priest was at least going to be adopted officially by the US Army, but I don't know if they followed up on that. It was official to the British.
https://i.imgur.com/QT0PAeL.png
27/10/2024 @ 00:05:25: ChaserX: Mass change model info thread
For all Model Origin: Japan - Built in: South Korea Please

Rebadged Mitsubishi Fuso Aero Bus/ Aero Queen

https://www.imcdb.org/search.php?resultsStyle=asList&sortBy=0&make=Hyundai&model=- Aero+Space&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on
https://www.imcdb.org/search.php?resultsStyle=asList&sortBy=0&make=Hyundai&model=- Aero+Express&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on
https://www.imcdb.org/search.php?resultsStyle=asList&sortBy=0&make=Hyundai&model=- Aero+Queen&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on
https://www.imcdb.org/search.php?resultsStyle=asList&sortBy=0&make=Hyundai&model=- Aero+600

Wiki:
https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%ED%98%84%EB%8C%80_%EC%97%90%EC%96%B4%EB%A1%9C
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%89%E8%8F%B1%E3%81%B5%E3%81%9D%E3%81%86%E3%8- 3%BB%E3%82%A8%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AD%E3%82%A8%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9#%E5%88%9D%E4%BB%A3%E3%- 82%A8%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AD%E3%83%90%E3%82%B9/%E3%82%A8%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AD%E3%82%AF%E- 3%82%A3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%B3
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%89%E8%8F%B1%E3%81%B5%E3%81%9D%E3%81%86%E3%8- 3%BB%E3%82%A8%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AD%E3%82%A8%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9#%E3%82%A8%E3%82%A2%E3%- 83%AD%E3%83%90%E3%82%B9%EF%BC%882%E4%BB%A3%E7%9B%AE%EF%BC%89/%E3%82%A8%E3%82%A2%- E3%83%AD%E3%82%AF%E3%82%A3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%B3%EF%BC%882%E4%BB%A3%E7%9B%AE%EF%BC%8- 9
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