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Published 13/08/2006 @ 19:05:13, By antp
Origin is the country in which the car was designed (well, if you seen what I mean).
So for VW it is usually either Germany or Brazil. For the Beetle, it was designed in Germany, so its origin is Germany, IMHO.
ML is made in USA, but it is sold with the other MB in Europe and other countries, so it could be considered as a German car as it is part of the general MB production and not specific to USA.
About Vauxhall, I do not know :grin: I would say that they are UK cars, but you are right about the rebadged Opel... so we have to decide what to do with these.
Honda Civic is a Japanese car.
I do not think that it is useful to mark UK cars as "made for..." unless the name change, or that the car has a visual difference (other than the steeringwheel side :D)
RR is owner by BMW, but it is still considered as UK cars I think. Well, it is a subject on which we can discuss.


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Published 13/08/2006 @ 19:05:57, By antp
I updated the "origin" of most of the vehicles (major makes, except the few for which I did not know what to put).
I left Ford for later, as it depends on the models :ohwell:
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Published 13/08/2006 @ 20:58:54, By antp
I have put here a copy of the contents of the function that does the automatic replacement of "origin" field if left empty.
Do not hesitate to suggest missing makes, and suggest a list of models for Ford:
www.imcdb.org/temp/auto-origin.txt
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Published 13/08/2006 @ 21:24:55, By G-MANN
Did you have to go through every car manually to change the origin?
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Published 13/08/2006 @ 21:41:37, By antp
No, I did that with SQL queries for the makes listed on the main page.
Like "update car_s set vehicle_origin = 'US' where vehicle_make = 'Cadillac'" and 1300+ cars were updated :grin:
Same for some models of each make: I'll do that for the Fords, and do manually the few models remaining.
So you only have to do manually the makes that have few cars (for which it goes fast to do it manually, as fast as typing the SQL query).
There are few "major" makes that I left for later because I had to check first if the country that I thought is right. And the makes for which we have 10-20 cars that are not on the main page and so that I did not made already.

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Published 13/08/2006 @ 22:08:18, By wickey
make Ford croen vic, it will be about 422 + mustang another 420 :grin:

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Published 13/08/2006 @ 22:36:18, By antp
yes :smile: no need to do that manually, tomorrow I will do them by SQL.
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Published 13/08/2006 @ 23:55:43, By antp
How do we list "Dodge Barreiros"? As "origin = spain" or as "origin = USA" and "made for = spain"? (depends if the models were the same as the US ones, I guess)
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Published 14/08/2006 @ 11:51:36, By antp
Help!
What do we do for the Ford Mondeo / Mercury Mystique / Ford Contour?
The Mondeo was significant as its design and marketing was shared between Ford USA in Dearborn, and Ford of Europe.

DE for the Mondeo and USA for the two others? Though it is the same basis...

I have put KR as country for the Festiva and the Aspire, as they are just rebadged korean cars. I guess that I do the same for the Geo and other rebadged Chevrolet?
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Published 14/08/2006 @ 12:10:06, By antp
Ford Falcon: I know that Australia has a model and US had another, but what about Europe? Was it a model from Ford UK or Ford DE ? Or was it the same as the US model ?
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Published 14/08/2006 @ 12:12:54, By antp
One of the admins hasn't seen this topic and the new country field :figti: Each time I do a search I find new cars with a country between "(...)"
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Published 14/08/2006 @ 13:20:48, By antp
What country for "AC", "AC Shelby" and "AC Cobra" ? though most are replicas...
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Published 14/08/2006 @ 16:05:43, By antp
Well, I continue to speak alone here :grin:
I finished A & B makes, except AC and the "Blotto".
If you change countries of "major" makes (i.e. those that we can find often in movies, usually those that have more 2 or 3 vehicles on imcdb) please list it here so I know that I have to include them in the automatic replacement list that I posted above.
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Published 14/08/2006 @ 16:31:53, By Alexander
So that you are no longer alone let me answer some of your topics... :smile:

AC is GB

AC Shelby/AC Cobra should (probably) be named Shelby American (USA) ... some research needed.

Ford Falcon was not a German model, and I think not a British either.

For all the badge engineered cars (Daewoo sold as Chevrolet, etc.) the Origin is the place were it was produced. So A 'Chevrolet Matiz' would be Origin: South Korea -- Made for: EU.

Same for
Dodge Barreiros: Origin: Spain
Dodge Renault: Origin: United Kingdom
We don't want the owner (now DaimlerChrysler) but where it was produced.

Only if a production site is a plant of a company that just happens to be in a different country but has no roots there and no independent production, only then I would use the country of the main company. If a car is identifyable as being made in, lets say Australia, we should use that country as country of origin.

Specific Australian models are, for example:
Leyland Mini Moke
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_17917-Leyland-Mini-Moke-1968.html
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_16315-Leyland-Mini-Moke-1966.html
International Harvester of Australia (that's the full name)
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_11147-International-Harvester.html
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_11168-International-Harvester.html
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Published 14/08/2006 @ 16:33:46, By Alexander
Here is a first list for batch conversion:

AEC GB
Alvis GB
Allis-Chalmers USA
Auburn USA
Austin Healey GB
Auto Union D
Autocar USA
Barkas DDR Flag missing
Bedford GB
Bohemia CS Flag missing
Borgward D
Birstol GB
BSA GB
Bugatti D->F->I->D
Cadillac-Gage USA
Caterpillar USA
Club Car USA
Commer GB
Crown USA
DAF NL
Daimler GB
Dennis GB
Dino I
Divco USA
DKW D
Dodge Brothers USA
Duesenberg USA
E-Z-Go USA
Eagle (car) USA Eagle (bus) is USA
Ebro E
Excalibur USA
Fisher USA
Flxible USA
FMC USA
Foden GB
Fordson GB
Framo DDR Flag missing
Guy GB
Hanomag D
Harley-Davidson USA
Hillman GB
Hispano-Suiza E->F
Hudson USA
Humber GB
Ikarus H
Indian USA
JCB GB
Jeep USA
Jensen GB


I finished a lot of makes with up to 6 cars listed ... but still quite a lot missing.
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Published 14/08/2006 @ 16:50:32, By antp
Thanks for the list :wink:
For me Bugatti is French. Still now. Cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Automobiles_SAS
I do not think that it is useful to add CS flag as it is the same as the Czech one; can't we consider that CS vehicles = CZ ?
I will add the DDR flag, I noticed that it was missing when renaming Trabant, Wartburg and Barkas. I first set country = Germany, madefor = DDR, but it is not very accurate (and as we added USSR, why not DDR).
Shall I add an EU flag, or do we consider that Ford Europe is now D, like I did?

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Published 14/08/2006 @ 17:04:00, By Alexander
Thanks for the list :wink:

More will follow...

For me Bugatti is French.

Actually for me, too. But might not be correct, certainly not for the very first (<1918).

I do not think that it is useful to add CS flag as it is the same as the Czech one; can't we consider that CS vehicles = CZ ?

The Flag is the same, but not the mouse-over text.

Shall I add an EU flag, or do we consider that Ford Europe is now D, like I did?

Ford Europe has it's company seat in Cologne, so D would be correct. But if you add the EU flag it wouldn't do any harm. Perhaps some members would rather like to use that instead of a national flag.

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Published 14/08/2006 @ 17:09:10, By antp
Yes, that's for that reason that I was planning to add EU flag.
For the CS flag, I can add a duplicate of the CZ one, but in my 2-letter codes the CS is already used for Serbia & Montenegro :ohwell:
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Published 14/08/2006 @ 18:42:56, By antp
I've done Alex's list.
Less than 10% of vehicle without country info on the site... but that represent about 60% of the makes :grin:
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Published 14/08/2006 @ 23:12:13, By Alexander
Next part for batch conversion:

Kaiser USA
Kaiser Jeep USA
Kamaz SU/RUS
KhPZ SU
Komatsu J
Kässbohrer Setra D
Laffly F
Lagonda GB
Leyland GB
Leyland DAF GB except DAF based trucks
Mack USA
Magirus-Deutz D
Malyshev SU
MAN D
Messerschmitt D
MCI CDN not USA, but has plants in USA and Mexico (ex DINA)
MINI GB not D -- the new MINI is being produced in Cowley, Oxford (old Morris plant); BMW is just the owner; name is written in capital letters to distinguish it from the old Mini (for a while 'Mini' was used as a brand name)
Mitsubishi Fuso J
Morgan GB
Morris-Commercial GB
New Flyer CDN
Nissan Diesel J
NSU D
OM I
Oshkosh USA
Pegaso E
Pierce-Arrow USA
Praga CS
Princess GB
Rambler USA
Reliant GB
Reo USA
Riley GB
Scammell GB
Scania-Vabis S

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Published 14/08/2006 @ 23:32:58, By antp
Even if the new mini is produced in UK, it was designed by BMW people I guess. I am not sure that it should be considered as an English car :confused:
Well, I will do the change, it is not a major problem anyway :grin:
By the way, is the latest Rolls-Royce still a UK car?

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